Mexi Scum wrote:

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Let's see... the Raffle goes to the Wisconsin Attorney General, and the CEO and Assistant US Attorney threats go to the FBI....


Jeez, I'll spend a week sorting out packages to mail....

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Remember postage rates go up the 14th.

Adding more of the posts that were made on the raffle thread....

  #32       09-12-2006, 05:00 PM 
 todberg 
Member   Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 52 
 
I have to agree with rryan that I don't see such a big issue with this. I mean Government stormtroopers won't be rushing in anytime soon for a guitar raffle. The raffle seems like a great idea to me. It also looks like Dennis has a better idea of what's really going on here than most of us, from what I'm reading anyway. I don't know why he should have to apologize for being upfront about it.

  #33       09-12-2006, 05:16 PM 
 'plain o joe' 
Pantechnicon
   Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Due East of Lost Mtn on the Great Road
Posts: 6,768
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eXe 
One doesn't need ISP info to know whats going on here.. common sense will suffice.

just for the record....

<Aaron Whitelaw> (NLI) can be anyone over there
Aaron Whitelaw could be him logged in, or it could be anyone else who signed up using that name.

The get around would be "The 50th donor to Paypal wins the guitar" would work.
(as in 9th caller to Rock Radio wins the concert tickets)

Yes you still owe him an appology, but I guess owning the board means you never have to say you're sorry...

  #34       09-12-2006, 05:32 PM 
 Dennis Olson 
Chief Curmudgeon
   Join Date: May 2001
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 30,905 
 
Whether I own the board or not isn't an issue. I won't apologize for voicing my opinion based on his activity. Had he been genuinely concerned, he'd have PM'd me rather than post about it.

  #35       09-12-2006, 05:44 PM 
Tom McDowell 
Senior Member
   Join Date: May 2001
Location: North Western Montana
Posts: 859 
 
Warning -- Thread Drift --

You know sometimes I wish I could step into Professor Peabodys Wayback machine and just hang out in the early 60's. I think and I could be wrong that was when Uncle Sam was still in charge. Somewhere a bit later he was voted out in favor of Aunt Ann (also known as nanna).

Aunt Ann's traditional role was that of the warm, loving homemaker. As typical for the era she was also someone who could lay down the law, and one would think twice about walking in the house with muddy shoes. Nanna was very well known for her abilities in the kitchen, her main claim to fame was her homemade apple pies.

She was also well known for taking in the strays that popped in for a while during the depression. Mostly bums (folks now known as transients) and some were good honest people looking for a leg up. Nonetheless all were looking for a handout. Uncle Sam was a bit put off by strangers just popping in, but Nanna was resolute in her charity sayin, "it's the Christian thing to do." At the end of World War II the homestead had forgotten about the handouts and was mostly known for their thrifty attitude, rationing and sacrifice during those awful years.

Somewhere in the sixties things began to change. People started popping in again, this time it was a wide assortment of people, some wanting food, some wanting favors, there were even people just demanding money. It started off slowly and the trickle of people turned into a hoard, soon there was a line as far as you could see. To make matters worse when Uncle Sam answered the door the people ignored him and asked for Nanna.

Soon the patience of good Uncle Sam had been worn thin and he decided to put an end to ruckas which threatend to turn his ordely home into a giant soup kitchen. He made an announcment that he was putiing his foot down and this nonsense was coming to end right now. Well the people who were in the process of lining up for their second and third trip through the house heard Uncle Sam clearly and became fearful. They then in turn told their neighbors in line and soon the word spread throughout the countryside. A great commotion stirred and some of the people shouted out, "let's vote, after all we're a democracy." "All in favor of Nanna say aye." A thunderous clamor of Ayes sounded and Uncle Sam reluctantly handed his pants to Nanna. He mumbled something about a republic, packed his bags and moved to Omaha.

Well Good Aunt Ann was suddenly faced with a multitude of chores and looked about for help. Fortunately she and Sam had a large family she decided who better to help her than her her daughters, Anna, Anne, Angie, Andrea, and Annette. Pretty soon the ladies had converted from clipping coupons to issuing them. To streamline the chores strict rules were put into affect to make certain the everyone was treated fairly. Even the coupons would be the proper size, the proper color, and made from soft paper that no one could cut themselves on. The ladies were very proud of their handywork and decided to formalize their workforce with a proper name. And so began the organization we know today as, The Nanny State.

As time went on it soon became apparent many rules were needed to ensure fairness and safety for all. The Nannies with their enourmous influence set about working up all kinds of useful laws. Such were the origins of such famous legislation as the No Name Calling Act, or the creation of such agencies as The Approved Ingredients Only Agency (set up to protect Moms Apple Pie). Of course laws must have remedies for those who can not obey the rules. Thereon new institutions were set up for the application of time out in the corner, and slapping on the wrist administrators were hired.

Soon such serious offenses as running with scissors, or, don't put that in your mouth, resulted with more and more people spending their lives in time out. Of course the Nanny State paid to take care of those reckless individuals while they were hosted for their extended stays in the big house. All were treated fairly with "three hots and a cot", as the family slogan goes "over two million served" - so far.

Well I'm sure we could expound more on the benefits of The Nanny State, and answer the questions of what happend to Sam and the boys. However those and other such interesting topics like Jose & Maria move in, and Osama in Love, will have to wait for another thread.

I have to go as Big Brother is driving up in a very pretty black Suburban. I guess he's popping in for another of our friendly chats.
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  #36       09-12-2006, 05:54 PM 
 Satanta 
Stone Cold Crazy
   Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Behind the lens in the mud.
Posts: 20,012 
 
First post= concern.

2nd post= concern

After that if you keep shaking it yer playin' with it.

Don't like pitbulls stay out of the goddamned yard.

  #37       09-12-2006, 05:54 PM 
 Dennis Olson 
Chief Curmudgeon
   Join Date: May 2001
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 30,905 
 
BTW, TB is a completely PRIVATE site. We do not solicit the public in any way. Any offers made on this board are to MEMBERS ONLY.
   

  #38       09-12-2006, 05:58 PM 
Texas Writer 
Senior Member
   Join Date: May 2001
Location: Jefferson, Texas
Posts: 745 
 
Are raffles illegal? Yes
Do organizations hold them anyway? Yes
Does anybody really care? No
   

  #39       09-12-2006, 06:27 PM 
 teefleur 
Veteran Member
   Join Date: May 2001
Location: Louisiana, in the swamp between Baton Rouge and New Orleans
Posts: 3,568 
 
How about a "door prize?" Is that the same as a "raffle?"

  #40       09-12-2006, 06:35 PM 
 SouthernGal 
Proud Constitutionalist
   Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NE Georgia
Posts: 3,731 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rryan 
For god's sakes it jsut a ****ing raffle for a guitar.

the law is stupid. ****ing ignore it. Enough people ignore stupid laws and they eventually go away.

Yeah! Like our immigration laws!

#41 09-12-2006, 06:45 PM 
 eXe 
Techno Junkie
   Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: The Kingdom Of Nye
Posts: 5,763
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthernGal 
Yeah! Like our immigration laws!

Yeah we are just doing the raffles that other boards wont do!

  #42       09-12-2006, 07:05 PM 
 Reborn 
Seeking Aslan's Country
   Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Midwest
Posts: 3,781 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by todberg 
I have to agree with rryan that I don't see such a big issue with this. I mean Government stormtroopers won't be rushing in anytime soon for a guitar raffle. The raffle seems like a great idea to me. It also looks like Dennis has a better idea of what's really going on here than most of us, from what I'm reading anyway. I don't know why he should have to apologize for being upfront about it.

Todberg, for my part, I'm not worried about government stormtroopers doing the dirty over a guitar.  And I wouldn't see it as any big deal either.

But there is one person on "another forum" whom I believe would be very happy to get TB2K into some kind of legal hassle, and for some folks here, a FINE (depending on the amount) might be almost as bad to their finances as the stormtroopers would be to their nerves. I don't trust that person one bit, and I don't go to their forum. But since TPTB here at TB are going to go with the raffle anyway, I've shared my genuine concerns and that's all I could do. I sincerely hope it wasn't taken wrong because I only had the member's best interests at heart.
   

  #43       09-12-2006, 07:32 PM 
HeliumAvid 
Ions R Us
   Join Date: May 2001
Location: Silly Valley, CA
Posts: 12,970
 
 
WOW I wonder if all the March Maddness Pools are NOT EXACTLY LEGAL too? 

  #44       09-12-2006, 07:59 PM 
 big kumara 
I am not here--really
   Join Date: May 2001
Location: SE South Dakota
Posts: 2,384 
 
I'm gonna have to stand with Brooks, too.

David Whitelaw would have done just what Aaron did. And he would have posted it on the main board so it would be out in the wide open so those who might be affected would actually hear about it.

  #45       Yesterday, 12:49 AM 
 todberg 
Member   Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 52 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reborn 
Todberg, for my part, I'm not worried about government stormtroopers doing the dirty over a guitar.  And I wouldn't see it as any big deal either.

But there is one person on "another forum" whom I believe would be very happy to get TB2K into some kind of legal hassle, and for some folks here, a FINE (depending on the amount) might be almost as bad to their finances as the stormtroopers would be to their nerves. I don't trust that person one bit, and I don't go to their forum. 

Yes, I understand. It does seem like there are those that would like nothing better than to cause trouble for people here. I have no idea why. But this thread seems to be just giving them more ideas to cause trouble for us. I dont see how that helps, really.
   

  #46       Yesterday, 01:15 AM 
 SmartAZ 
Back from vacation
   Join Date: May 2001
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 5,143 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Olson
Whether I own the board or not isn't an issue. I won't apologize for voicing my opinion based on his activity. Had he been genuinely concerned, he'd have PM'd me rather than post about it.

BS again, Dennis. A non-owner would never get away with such rudeness as you have exhibited. And Aaron was right to post it openly because all contributors needed to be warned.

As for that person on "another forum", I don't understand why you seem to want to give him such an opportunity to make trouble for you. Your entire approach to this situation seems unwise.

  #47       Yesterday, 07:06 AM 
 todberg 
Member   Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 52 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmartAZ 
BS again, Dennis. A non-owner would never get away with such rudeness as you have exhibited.

Ive read some stuff from others here that was a lot more rude than what Dennis said and theyre still here posting, so I dont think what you said really rings true. Heck, people are even rude to moderators and seem to get away with it.

Quote:
As for that person on "another forum", I don't understand why you seem to want to give him such an opportunity to make trouble for you. 

I didnt see him wanting any such thing. It looked like a good fundraising idea to me, but it does seem like others just want to make trouble out of it.
   

  #48       Today, 05:42 AM 
data junkie 
Newbie
   Join Date: May 2001
Location: Virginia
Posts: 10,874 
 
Aaron, it's nice to see you. I was thinking about you a couple weeks ago. I was sitting on my mother's back porch and she and I were quietly watching the stars. Then actually out of the blue my mind turned to your father, and suddenly in that instant a giant shooting star raced down before us and exploded in a brilliant gold light. It was more than a quarter the size of the full moon; just breath taking! So I said a prayer for your father, then told Mom what I'd been thinking, and she in turn talked about all the wonderful stories your Dad had posted and how much she loved reading them and missed them, then we went on to talk about you as she'd asked where you are, what you're up to, your latest news kind of posts. I repeated the story of taking your professor to the reservation for Thanksgiving, as she's forgotten that one, and we laughed anew at what fun that must have been.

Back to topic, I'm literally sick about you being treated this way. It's clear to me that you did the decent and courageous thing by sharing your knowledge on the topic. If you instead were sinister, then you would have not posted to educate, but instead would have gone straight to the authorities.
     

  #49       Today, 06:19 AM 
 VesperSparrow 
.5 river-rat .5 beach bum
   Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The middle of the interstate
Posts: 2,503 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rryan 
For god's sakes it jsut a ****ing raffle for a guitar.

the law is stupid. ****ing ignore it. Enough people ignore stupid laws and they eventually go away.

Thing is though that there are total jerks out there that would copy all these posts and send them to some fed guy somewhere that has absolutely NOTHING to do with his time and life and the guy would chase Dennis down until he made Dennis' life a living hell...something to think about.
If it were me I would at least consult a living being in my hometown and find out FOR SURE if what I was doing was legal or not. After all these posts and threads about the raffle/donations/legal issues I don't know if you've already done this and gotten the all-clear or not Dennis, so I pologize if you are absolutely certain that its all good to do these things...
But I really don't wanna see Dennis lose his house or anything else over this board.
   

  #50       Today, 07:41 AM 
 BrSpiritus 
Senior Member
   Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 577
  
 
You know, I donated my money during the fundraiser and I am confident the board will survive, however I have seen a mean streak that has turned into a nasty streak and now is just a downright insulting plethora of degredating posts. What is going on? Especially with board management? Dennis, I think it's time for a vacation. What people do on other boards is THEIR BUSINESS not yours. Are you going to spy on everyone to make sure they're not saying anything anti-TB2K? Waitaminute! That reminds me of something.... perhaps the Federal Government?? Geez man just chill for a while you're taking all of this far too seriously. Yes there are legal issues at hand here, the raffle is small potatoes, not being a non-profit corp is a bigger one, especially if you're asking for donations. Don't go for a LLC, your overhead will be more money than you want to spend.

  #51       Today, 01:54 PM 
KateCanada 
Starting over!
   Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 3,420 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MC2006 
guys... all of this is crazy! I am just trying to donate a guitar to help raise $ to support a board that we all pull useful info from.

Holy crap.....what a thread! MC2006, a few members did raise some money for the board on our own in the swap and shop sig. We did it amoungst ourselves at will. That way it is our responsibility (Those that took part). I think that worked well and caused zero problems for anyone. 

Here's the thread:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=113596