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#1 Today, 12:45 PM
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ADMIN - TB2K Fundraiser (and Katrina relief)

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Charlie pointed out that it might not be "proper" to run the TB fundraiser so soon after Katrina. I think it was also he that said Jerry Lewis earmarked some of his Telethon $'s for Katrina aid. Since I haven't seen the telethon in years, I had no idea. However, it's a good one. So here's the deal: we need a finite amount of $'s to run TB for a year. Basic ops are about $6500 and equipment this go-round has been $1100. I'll run the fundraiser per normal starting today. However, every $ above the amount needed to run this place will be sent directly to Katrina aid (I'd need to know the best place to send it to) on behalf of the members of TB2K.

If there are no objections on this thread, I'll send the emails/PMs out later today.

Thoughts?

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Sounds good. I'll be sending you a check next week, payable to "Doggie Daddy"
Good idea, Dennis.
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#3 Today, 01:39 PM
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good idea boss. i'll be mailing mine this weekend.

how 'bout http://www.jdm.org/ for the donations?
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  #1       Today, 11:06 AM 
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Dennis have you checked into the gaming laws? This is considered a interstate raffle due to it going out to every state in the union. Blessings, Aaron
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Dennis you are breaking the law in Washington State as well as many others. Just a heads up warning. Blessings, Aaron

http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/faq/internet_...20commision%22
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Thank you Aaron.
(There's always someone that has to try & spoil things for everyone else, isn't there?)
   
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Olson 
Thank you Aaron.
(There's always someone that has to try & spoil things for everyone else, isn't there?)

Yeah...Aaron just came in and took a big dump all over our git-fiddle party. 
I'll take five tickets, pending resolution of the legality issue.
   
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Thank you Aaron.
(There's always someone that has to try & spoil things for everyone else, isn't there?)

Dennis do you know how much trouble you can get yourself into? I was just trying to save you some legal fees and a whole lot of heartburn. I didn't make the gambling laws. Blessings, Aaron
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  #6       Today, 11:39 AM 
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Well, I read his link. Here are a few excerpts:

Quote:
For example, if you pay a
fee to play a game of chance (such as poker, blackjack,
bingo, roulette, craps, slots, etc.) for a prize, it is a
gambling activity.
Is Internet gambling legal in Washington State?
No. It is illegal under RCW 9.46.240 to knowingly send
or receive gambling information by Internet, telephone,
radio, or any other similar means. It is also illegal to
install or maintain equipment for transmitting or
receiving gambling information.
Has anyone been in trouble for Internet gambling?
The United States Department of Justice recently
announced the indictment of two individuals and the
corporations through which they operated their illegal,
off-shore gambling websites. Those individuals and
corporations are also charged with money laundering
over $250 million worth of illegal Internet gambling
wagers. The indicted individuals are currently being
sought as federal fugitives.
What enforcement action will be taken against
Internet gamblers?
Washington State is part of a multi-state and federal task
force that is looking into education, awareness, and
coordinating enforcement activities, in order to deter
Internet gambling.
It is anticipated enforcement will focus on larger, higher
level Internet gambling activities, such as gambling sites
and service providers.
If I have problems with an online casino or
sportsbook who can I report them to?
The Internet Fraud Complaint Center, a partnership
between the FBI and the National White Collar Crime
Center, operates a website and accepts complaints
regarding Internet fraud. Their website is www.ic3.gov.
How is Internet gambling different than gambling at
a local casino?
There are many risks when gambling on-line. Internet
gamblers have no idea who is operating a game, if the
game is honest, if winnings will be paid, or if the money
wagered will be used for criminal purposes. Players
have no recourse if they are not paid or cheated.
Internet gambling also creates an uncontrolled
environment for those with gambling addictions and for
minors.
Businesses and individuals that have a Washington State
gambling license undergo background checks to reduce
the likelihood of criminal involvement. Licensees must
follow rules designed to keep games fair and honest.
The Gambling Commission conducts audits to ensure
games are paid out correctly and investigates all
complaints. Undercover agents monitor for compliance.
 

It sounds like these laws pertain to gambling websites. As you all know, we're not one of those. We're just running a raffle as part of a fundraiser. Those of you who feel so inclined may participate. Those that don't, well, don't. Pretty simple.
   
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Dennis do not have a gaming license and you are in for a world of hurt. Blessings, Aaron
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Dennis do you know how much trouble you can get yourself into? I was just trying to save you some legal fees and a whole lot of heartburn. I didn't make the gambling laws. Blessings, Aaron

Did your Private Messeging tool break? Now you tossed it out so all those fools on other boards can drag this **** over and have a circle jerk on it for the next 6 months. Way to go.
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This is the part that caught my attention:

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Can lottery and raffle tickets be sold or purchased
online in Washington State?
No. Lottery tickets may only be purchased from
licensees of the Lottery Commission. Citizens of other
states should check with their local lottery regulatory
agency. Additionally, Internet raffle and lottery
activities are prohibited by the Federal Wire Wager Act.

The federal statute may contain an exception for organizations such as ours, but I don't know for sure if it does.
   
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Somehow, I doubt that a (relatively) penny-ante raffle to help raise funds for a not-for-profit website will raise Federal hackles. If that were true, churhes with websites had better not offer raffles on those sites either.
JMHO
   
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Did your Private Messeging tool break? Now you tossed it out so all those fools on other boards can drag this **** over and have a circle jerk on it for the next 6 months. Way to go.

Please accept my apologies for contributing to a potential problem. I wasn't thinking.
   
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  #12       Today, 11:51 AM 
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Unfortunately, Aaron is correct - US Federal Law specifically classifies Internet raffles in particular as online gambling. However, fundraiser raffles online are a bit of gray area strictly because there's not much will to enforce the laws in question. (Can you say "PR nightmare"?)
HOWEVER, a possible solution is to have all TB donations made between two certain dates be auto-entered in a random drawing for the guitar. This would mean, of course, that there can't be any distinction made between the purpose of the donations and this in turn means that someone not interested in it might win the random draw.
A workaround for THAT, in turn, would be to draw a few names and let the first drawn name have the chance to accept or pass on it. If passed, #2 gets a take-or-pass, and so on down the line.

Another option would be the fundraiser auction approach.
oO

EDITED TO ADD: CandlePower Forums, a board quite a bit larger than TB, usde to do raffles until the legality issue reared its ugly head. They've switched over to auctions.
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I thought about an auction. I also thought about an eBay sale. But I felt it a better thing to allow TB MEMBERS ONLY a level-ground chance at owning it. I still believe that, no matter what the detractors might say. I still think the raffle is best for the members, and that's what I'm going to do. If the Feds wanna bust me for "professional gambling", well, I guess I'm far more eeeeevil than al Qaeda....
   
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Quote:
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Somehow, I doubt that a (relatively) penny-ante raffle to help raise funds for a not-for-profit website will raise Federal hackles. If that were true, churhes with websites had better not offer raffles on those sites either.
JMHO

Dennis you said in another thread that you have not filed the paperwork to be a not for profit. I'm a bit confused. Blessings, Aaron
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Dennis you said in another thread that you have not filed the paperwork to be a not for profit. I'm a bit confused. Blessings, Aaron

No you're not. You're being a jackass on purpose. What a shame you don't have the kindness and decency that your father did...
   
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Dennis, what the hell is your problem? Between you and your pitbull Satanta, this is bull****. Aaron was extremely polite in his first post. You guys jumped all over him. Whats up? I actually thought he was trying to cover your ass. And your comments regarding his father were just plain rude.
This place is getting nasty. And the people making it nasty are the people running it. Yeah, Yeah, I know, If I don't like it here I can **** off. Heard it all before. Now that we have 67 new suckers, we don't need the old ones. 
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  #17       Today, 12:09 PM 
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This is CA. law but probably works in all states. You may not have a raffle on the internet, BUT you may announce a raffle being held. So, who's going to hold the raffle? Uuummm Dennis. Any suggestions?

#

# What is a raffle?
A raffle is a type of lottery in which prizes are awarded to people who pay for a chance to win. Each person enters the game of chance by submitting a detachable coupon or stub from the paper ticket purchased. A raffle must be conducted under the supervision of a natural person age 18 or older. At least 90 percent of the gross receipts from raffle ticket sales must be used by the eligible tax-exempt organization to benefit or support beneficial purposes in California.
Groups are prohibited from awarding raffle prizes by use of a gaming machine, apparatus or device such as a slot machine. A raffle also may not be advertised, operated or conducted over the Internet. However, the organization conducting the raffle may place on its web site an announcement of a raffle. See Penal Code section 320.5 and Statutes and Regulations.
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Quote:
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No you're not. You're being a jackass on purpose. What a shame you don't have the kindness and decency that your father did...

And how does obeying the law equate to being a jackass. As I said before you are not legally set up to run a raffle. Even in the high schools they have to submit paper work to hold their 50/50 raffels on game nights. Do as you wish you do not want to listen to reason. I am through trying to help you from getting into trouble over this. Blessings, Aaron
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Well, obviously there is a snaggle in the raffle.
Ain't we got no lawyer folks here at TB to help figure out a way to do this LEGALLY? Don't no body kno no body? No one's gonna wanna be involved with something that might get them fined later on, and it's a darn shame to hafta close the door on such a nice gift. There's gotta be a way for everyone to win.
   
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Quote:
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You're being a jackass on purpose. What a shame you don't have the kindness and decency that your father did...
The TB members who know Aaron well (that includes you, Dennis), know just how particularly insulting and inappropriate that comment was to him. Time for an apology from you, Dennis.
   
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The TB members who know Aaron well (that includes you, Dennis), know just how particularly insulting and inappropriate that comment was to him. Time for an apology from you, Dennis.

Got to agree with Brooks on this. Well over the line.
   
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  #22       Today, 01:16 PM 
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guys... all of this is crazy! I am just trying to donate a guitar to help raise $ to support a board that we all pull useful info from.
   
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guys... all of this is crazy! I am just trying to donate a guitar to help raise $ to support a board that we all pull useful info from.

What you did shows your heart is good. The problem arises with the raffle not your gift. Blessings, Aaron
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guys... all of this is crazy! I am just trying to donate a guitar to help raise $ to support a board that we all pull useful info from.

Michael, no one's upset with what you are doing, but I don't think the legalities raised on this thread are crazy either. I think the problem is that there ARE some possible legal issues involved, and no one wants to get entangled in any of those. If there isn't an "honest" solution to the Raffle, then TB might have to go with an Auction here. I'd rather keep it in house like Dennis said. We went through something "somewhat" similar when a TB member offered to post pics here if we paid for their trip to an event. I appreciate Aaron's attempt to keep us all on the straight and narrow.
Right now, I don't know if it's something in the air or not, but things really feel tense spiritually, and I notice that many folks (not just here at TB) are saying things that could've been better said or not said at all.
   
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The TB members who know Aaron well (that includes you, Dennis), know just how particularly insulting and inappropriate that comment was to him. Time for an apology from you, Dennis.

No. I stand by what I said. I happen to know that Aaron hangs out at UB's, and am QUITE sure he instigated this on purpose.
   
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For god's sakes it jsut a ****ing raffle for a guitar.
the law is stupid. ****ing ignore it. Enough people ignore stupid laws and they eventually go away.
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For god's sakes it jsut a ****ing raffle for a guitar.
the law is stupid. ****ing ignore it. Enough people ignore stupid laws and they eventually go away.

 My position exactly.
   
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And you know what.. if not for those who log in here, smile in ALL our faces, and run over to other boards and smear tb, no one would have EVER even worried about this.
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Quote:
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No. I stand by what I said. 
That is too bad because...
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I happen to know that Aaron hangs out at UB's 
Actually, since you have no access to ISP info at UB you know no such thing and even if true it isn't relevant to the issue Aaron raised
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and am QUITE sure he instigated this on purpose. 
"Instigated"? An intentionally loaded word.
I stand by what I said. When someone of Aaron's well known integrity is wrongly dishonored, members should speak up on his behalf.
   
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Quote:
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No you're not. You're being a jackass on purpose. What a shame you don't have the kindness and decency that your father did...
   
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Actually, since you have no access to ISP info at UB you know no such thing and even if true..

One doesn't need ISP info to know whats going on here.. common sense will suffice.
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  #32       Today, 02:00 PM 
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I have to agree with rryan that I don't see such a big issue with this. I mean Government stormtroopers won't be rushing in anytime soon for a guitar raffle. The raffle seems like a great idea to me. It also looks like Dennis has a better idea of what's really going on here than most of us, from what I'm reading anyway. I don't know why he should have to apologize for being upfront about it.


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ADMIN - ****** Fundraiser RAFFLE - a Schecter guitar!
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Michael generously offered one of their Schecter guitars for a TB members-only raffle. Let's run it like this:
I'll post a poll in conjunction with this post. On it will be the number of chances you want to buy. Then you can either donate via PayPal or snail mail
(be sure to include your BOARD NAME no matter which way you do it!). I'll make up a spreadsheet with who has how many chances, and Kris or
someone will generate a winner.
Michael, thanks a million for doing this!!
Below is the guitar offered for the raffle. "It's a Schecter Tempest 'Midway' Part of our Aviation Collection, which is our "playing tribute" to WW2 era aircraft.
The Midway is inspired by the Navy's Corsair fighter."
NOTE:
BE SURE to include a comment (in either PayPal OR snail mail) identifying the fact that it's for the guitar raffle
AS WELL AS your board name! Otherwise it will be impossible to track them back to you.
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  #2       Today, 10:20 AM 
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to all TB2Kers... the auction will also include a molded case AND shipping to anywhere in the USA. (we will need a shipping address that UPS can deliver too!)
 for those interested in tech specs.. please PM me or visit our web site at www.schecterguitars.com THANKS! Michael
   
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Oooo
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This is my favorite though:
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  #4       Today, 10:37 AM 
 Reborn 
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Michael, I'm not interested in this guitar, but it is really nice of you to do this for TB2K.
THANK YOU!!
   
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  #5       Today, 10:40 AM 
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no worries Reborn... I choose this guitar as I thought it would even be a nice piece of art for even a non-guitar player! Maybe we will do something a bit more traditional next year
   
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  #6       Today, 10:45 AM 
 Dennis Olson 
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BTW, this raffle is also open to ALL THE STAFF (except me and whoever draws the winner).
   
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  #7       Today, 10:53 AM 
Warren Bone 
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How long are you going to run this offer/raffle? Need a closing date.
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  #8       Today, 10:56 AM 
 Dennis Olson 
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I dunno Warren. A week? Two? Lots of folks only check the board once a week. I'd like to make sure they have a chance too.
   
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  #9       Today, 11:02 AM 
Warren Bone 
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Ok...it would be best to set a final entry date just so everybody doesn't wait it out and then miss out on it.
You don't want it to run too long or it'll lose it's appeal. How about one week from today; that should excite a few guitar lovers!
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  #10       Today, 11:05 AM 
 Dennis Olson 
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Okay, we'll end it on 9/18 @ 6 pm central. The actual drawing will be held after any snail mails for chances have had their chance to arrive. So I figure the drawing will be Thursday, Sept 21st. Those whose donations for raffle chances have arrived by then will be in the drawing. (PayPal, being instant, ther'll be no delay necessary.)
   
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  #11       Today, 11:07 AM 
 Bubba Zanetti 
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OK... I'm game. $35.
FYI: On e-bay, you can buy the guitar alone for a little under $500.
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  #12       Today, 11:09 AM 
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Quote:
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OK... I'm game. $35.

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  #13       Today, 11:11 AM 
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but on EBAY the $$$ do NOT go to this board... which is the idea behind this. Dennis... is there anyway to send a PM 'notification' to all members?
   
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  #14       Today, 11:14 AM 
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 Dennis Olson 
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Actually, I'm thinking of doing that very thing. The Mass PM hack for this version of vB is still, um, "immature" shall we say? So I'll probably do a nother mass emailing. (AOL will probably ban the TB email domain for spamming again....  )
   
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 Dennis Olson 
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NOTE:
BE SURE to include a comment (in either PayPal OR snail mail) identifying the fact that it's for the guitar raffle AS WELL AS your board name! Otherwise it will be impossible to track them back to you.
   
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  #17       Today, 11:45 AM 
 Dennis Olson 
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Post discussing this raffle (such as Aaron's) have been moved:
Please confine that discussion to that thread.
   
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  #18       Today, 01:44 PM 
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I'm in too..... just sent $35.00
   
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  #19       Today, 01:51 PM 
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Cool, i'm gonna put down $35, i spose shipping to Ireland is out of the question 
I'll be in Nevada from 09/27 till 10/06, would i be able to get it sent there, if by the grace of god i won,
Michael i think its great of you to put the guitar up for raffle,
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Dennis posted this about his son Daniel.

From the horses mouth:
[QUOTE]Dennis Olson Some tidbits:

"First, I must agree with Jesse. Our #1 son had always acted badly, from the time he was a baby. (The first time I remember that he actively did something bad was ad about 18 months, when he pushed a new TV off its stand onto the floor, and then laughed about it.) He also tried to kill his little brother on multiple occasions and by various means. We have a file on him (medical and CPS) that's about 6" thick. We've been to family therapy, individual therapy, parenting classes; basically the whole gamut. I should have a PhD after my name for all the court-mandated child therapy & classes we had to attend.

We were always wondering what horror he would perpetrate next. At age 15, he crowbarred his way into our bedroom (we have a steel security door, the kind you'd have as your front door, with a deadbolt), stole two handguns and 100 rds of ammunition, and headed for the Mall of America. Once caught, he spent the next 18 months either in juvenile maximum security, or in a foster home. Three months before his 18th birthday, he "got out". CPS wanted to return him to our home. We refused. They were flabbergasted. "Why not?" "Because we don't feel safe with him in the house." So he never returned.

He's now 22 years old, and attending Job Corps in Washington state. He's doing well, but still suffers from emotional problems, which I fear he'll have to battle all his life. No kid should have to go through what he went through, and nno parents should have to go through what WE went through. (According to CPS, it was always "our fault", no matter what. Nevermind that he was medically diagnosed with personality disorders.)"

another post:

Dennis Olson:
"My oldest son was severely ADHD. He had NO impulse control at all. At age 15.5, he crowbarred his way into our bedroom (has a steel door), and stole 2 handguns and 100 rds of ammunition. He then headed for Mall of America. Once he was caught, we went to maximum security juvenile detention for 18 months. When released (at about 17.5 years of age), the state said he could return to our home.

"No."

"What do you mean, No? You have to take him back."

"No we don't. He's your problem now. Have fun."

He has never returned to our home. He turns 21 this month. He asks periodically if he can return, and always gets the same answer. Never. Life is TOO SHORT, and he's now an adult, responsible for his own upkeep. I swear to you, that the years leading up to his "meltdown" were hellish for us. We told him flat out that the day after his 18th BD, he would be escorted to the door. No "grace period", no nothing. Pack your bags boy, you're history."

We prayed that he wouldn't kill someone, or burn down someone's house before his 18th BD, as we were still technically "responsible" for him. Thankfully, he did not. However, he left us with $10,000 in legal fees and reimbursement due the state. We are truly thankful that he's out of our lives.

Some kids are just "bad seed".

-- Edited by Kat at 04:09, 2007-05-03

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Yes, it's illegal to carry a firearm in the People's Republik of Wiskonsin. So I do it anyway. I refuse DIE (or have my family harmed or killed) to satisfy their fascist doctrine and unconstitutional "laws". If arrested, I'll defend on the 2nd.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=332026#post332026

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I can't believe how many people are freaked out by a SIGN. Look, I carry. It's illegal for me to do so (no CCW allowed at all in my state). So I carry anyway. You think I give a rat's a$$ what some SIGN says?

If you obey those signs, you do not deserve to carry. Period. Because you're too chickensh*t to stand up for your rights.

I choose not to have to DIE (or have my loved ones killed before my eyes) in order to satisfy some statist, unconstitutional "law". What YOU choose to do will determine the fate of YOUR loved ones. Wanna be a p*ssy and kow-tow to the bast*rds in "power"?

Screw 'em, one and all.

(Sorry about the militant tone of this post, but I really get sick of hearing people whine about signs, and how "now I can't carry". Man, anyone willing to let a SIGN rule them shouldn't own a firearm, that's for DAMN sure! You gotta be able to think for yourself to own guns.)

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=232046#post232046

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WCG,

The choice you have is whether or not to invoke PERSONAL civil disobedience. I have chosen to do so, in that I carry concealed without a "permit". I also carry in any state I'm in. I also carry a loaded pistol in my car, easily accessible to me, when I travel. I carry in schools. I carry in gov't buildings (without metal detectors, of course!)

So, I am a felon many times over. I am (or WAS) also a law-abiding citizen. At one time I had CCW permits from three states, so I passed every background check there is. I'm so clean I could get a class III firearm (and probably WILL this year).

BUT, a couple years ago, I decided that the government did NOT have the right to force myself or my loved ones to DIE in order to satisfy their "laws". So now I no longer care. I reached overload. I'm sure many on this board feel exactly as I do.

I will NEVER register my guns, or submit to "licensing" of my God-given right. If YOU do (and it's YOUR choice), you WILL lose your firearms eventually. Just a matter of time. So, you have to ask yourself, do you want your children to have your guns after you die? If the answer is YES, you'd better NOT register them.

And that's no bull. And as far as being able to shoot them, 1) you better get THREE lifetimes worth of ammo put back, and 2) last time I checked, there was LOTS of "wilderness" in Canada.

Register and lose them. For no compensation. For no reason (other than "it's for the children"). The death of Canada's Gun Culture is at hand. Soon you'll go the way of the bloody Brits and the Aussies. All you have to do

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=228557#post228557

05-26-2000, 09:29 AM #13

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Stories like this illustrate why I carry, even though it makes me an instant felon. You see, I'm not "allowed" to carry a firearm in my state for protection (Nor am I allowed to do so when I travel across the U.S.). So I do it anyway. So, am I a "law-abiding citizen" or not? And what made me a felon? Why, the stroke of a pen, sir.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=326944#post326944

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Hell, I already AM an "insta-felon", right here in the good ole' U.S. of A.

You see, I carry concealed WHEN I WANT TO. With no permit. Can't get one in the socialist paradise of Wisconsin anyway.

I no longer give a sh*t. How long before this is the prevailing viewpoint? And since I'm already a felon, what would it matter if I (someday) got an "unregistered" select-fire rifle? Like Harry Bowman said, "After the first one, the rest are free."

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=321832#post321832

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Stories like what happened to Ms. Hupp are why I carry, even though I become an "instant felon" by doing so (my state does not allow ANY carry. NO CCW AT ALL). I have held CCW's in 3 states, so I *AM* by definition, a "law abiding citizen".

I finally reached the conclusion that the gov't does NOT have the "right" to mandate my death (or the deaths of my loved ones) in order to satisfy some unconstitutional "law".

I carry. Any time I want. I commit "civil disobedience". Like MLK, I refuse to abide by those laws. And MLK was ultimately correct, wasn't he?

Ask yourself what's more important: the lives and safety of your loved ones, or the happiness and satisfaction of the "state"?

The Founders of our great nation paid a terrible price in personal persecution to create the United States. What PERSONAL sacrifice are YOU willing to make, to stand up for the Constitution?

You DO have the right to bear arms. Whenever you want. Either DO IT, or cower in the corner. The choice is

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=225817#post225817

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Personally, I'd just go pick it up, then never tell em. But I've reached that point in my life where I feel that these "laws" are unconstitutional.

I have no obligation to obey unconstitutional laws. But I'm just a curmudgeon anymore....

Screw em.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=225376#post225376

05-03-2000, 11:41 AM #27

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No, the People's Republik of Wiskonsin (and Minnesota too for that matter), do not issue CCW. They are "MUST DIE" states. So, since I understand that my life (and the lives of my family) are more important that statist government, I carry anyway.

At one time, I carried valid CCW permits from THREE states. So, it's not like I'm a felon or anything....

Ooops, that's not true anymore, is it?

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=224783#post224783

05-01-2000, 12:07 PM #4

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I carry. Anytime I want to, except on an airplane, or in gov't buildings w/metal detectors. I have finally reached the point in my life that I no longer CARE what the gov't says about it.

I (and my family) will not be killed to satisfy some socialist "law". If I'm ever busted, I'll defend on 2nd grounds. Pure & simple. I might lose, but.... maybe not.

I have the right to LIFE. The socialists do NOT have the right to MAKE me die at the hand of a criminal.

'Nuf said.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=224760#post224760

04-20-2000, 12:38 PM #2

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These days I no longer care. I carry anyway.

"If guns are outlawed, I'll be an outlaw."

Wait a second, I already AM one!

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=223238#post223238

09-15-2000, 11:21 PM #6
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Well, lessee...I always have a loaded sidearm accessible to me in a car, even though the laws in the socialist paradise of Wisconsin forbids it.Shhot, shovel, and shut up, if need be. But I'd have taken his license # and turned him in later.------------------

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H.L. Mencken

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=357652#post357652

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Shooter, I too cannot have a CCW in my state (WI). So I carry anyway. If I ever get caught, I'll just use the 2nd as my defense. ("...shall not be infringed.")If you want to carry, and have no criminal record, then you have a decision to make. Exercise civil disobedience, or bow down before your fascist government. (We know what Martin Luther King did, don't we?)You make the call...

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=245205#post245205

-- Edited by Kat at 04:11, 2007-05-03

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